You hear it all the time, in tech, in politics, in philosophy: "No real X would do Y." It sounds definitive, even righteous. But often, it's a logical fallacy in disguise. The No True Scotsman fallacy happens when someone redefines a category to protect their argument from valid criticism. Instead of engaging with the counterexample, they simply move the goalposts. (1)
Take a classic tech culture example. I've heard this from more than a few gatekeepers: "No real programmer uses drag-and-drop tools." Really? So Visual Basic, PowerApps, and yes, even Access developers just don't count? These platforms may abstract away some of the heavy lifting, but that doesn't mean the people using them aren't solving real problems with logic, structure, and discipline. You can write unreadable garbage in C++, and you can build powerful business tools in Access. The tool doesn't define the skill. The output does.
Speaking of Access, I once saw this play out in an online forum where someone said, "No developer would use Access as a backend." I pushed back gently and pointed out that with proper architecture and constraints, Access works just fine for small to medium business apps. Then came the reply: "Well, no real developer would build apps that small anyway." Ah, there it is. Not a debate. Just a dodge. If the facts don't fit, redefine the club.
In business, a manager says, "No professional misses a deadline." But when you point out that one of the company's top project leads missed a deadline last quarter due to a client-side delay, the manager replies, "Well, no true professional would have let that happen." The definition of "professional" quietly shifts to exclude the counterexample, even if the original claim was too rigid for the real world.
In marketing, a brand says, "No real coffee lover drinks instant." But when shown survey data that many lifelong coffee drinkers do use instant for convenience, they respond, "Well, those people clearly don't appreciate coffee the right way." Again, rather than adjusting the claim to fit reality, they redefine "coffee lover" to protect their marketing angle. (2)
You'll find this fallacy popping up in political debates all the time. "No real patriot would criticize the administration." "No true supporter of the cause would question the leadership." It's a rhetorical trap designed to silence dissent. Instead of grappling with the argument, it reclassifies the speaker as illegitimate.
It shows up in morality, too. "No good person would ever do that." Well, maybe the definition of "good" needs more nuance. People are complicated. Sometimes they make mistakes, or change their minds. Insisting that moral purity is all-or-nothing isn't just unfair - it's intellectually lazy.
You also hear it in more philosophical or belief-driven circles. I've had conversations where someone says, "No true follower of [insert tradition] would behave that way," even in the face of documented cases. But the history of any movement - philosophical, ethical, or cultural - is filled with internal contradictions. Pretending otherwise isn't noble. It's revisionism.
And now, cue the transporter beam, because we're heading to Star Trek, of course. Plenty of excellent examples...
Worf was constantly told he wasn't a true Klingon. Why? Because he chose to serve in Starfleet. Because he followed rules of honor that others had long abandoned. Because he tried to uphold the ideal of Klingon culture, even when the actual Klingons around him did not. He was dismissed for being raised by humans, and for acting with restraint. But here's the irony: Worf arguably embodied the best of what it meant to be a Klingon - honor, loyalty, duty. The ones who called him out were often hypocrites.
Same goes for Spock. More than once, he was told he wasn't a real Vulcan. Not just because of his human mother, but because he occasionally expressed emotion, or made choices based on personal attachment. But Spock lived by logic more consistently than many full-blooded Vulcans ever did. The No True Scotsman logic didn't apply to him either - but it was still used, often, to dismiss him.
This fallacy is more than just an unfair argument tactic. It's a way of protecting belief systems from criticism by redefining who gets to belong. That makes it dangerous, especially in conversations where growth and accountability should matter. If your ideas can't handle an exception, maybe the problem isn't the exception.
So next time someone says, "No true professional," or "No real believer," or "No serious programmer," stop and ask: are they defending a principle, or just redrawing the map so they can keep feeling right?
(1) I know we have some real Scotsmen here, including one of my moderators (hey, Kevin). I was curious where the name of this fallacy came from, so I had to do a little research. The name No True Scotsman comes from philosopher Antony Flew, who described a man claiming that "no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." When told that a Scotsman does put sugar on his porridge, he replies, "Well, no true Scotsman would do that." Instead of accepting a counterexample, he redefines the term to protect his claim. It's a classic way to dodge inconvenient facts by quietly shifting the goalposts.
(2) Who remembers the "he never has a second cup of my coffee" commercials? LOL
Not only is it a fallacy, it's a queer sense of entitlement that allows someone to claim what is "true" for a whole class of individuals or objects. Now, one can express an opinion on what is "best" for a given situation, I often do. But to extrapolate that to everything...I'm sure you'll be getting to the association fallacy soon enough.
I am not sure if this is the right place for my question, but it does relate to one of the points you made. I run a retail pet store. I want to design a form to check the inventory on each shelf. The idea I have is to use a laptop and a barcode scanner to enter the items. This would necessarily connect to our server via WiFi. Am I just asking for trouble? All the other computers are hard-wired.
Adam Schwanz
@Reply 22 days ago
We do something similar every year Kevin and have a lot of issues with our wifi in the parts area. If you have a strong wifi connection, you are probably fine. Another idea would be to make a local table on that laptop, store all of the changes on that local table, and then "update" the real table with an update query at the end of the day when you can get wired into the LAN or something.
Another thing you can do is get yourself what's called a batch memory scanner. This is a portable scanner that you can take wherever you want. You don't have to be in wireless range. You don't have to lug a laptop around with you. You do all your scanning, and then when you come back to your laptop, you dock it on the cradle, or plug it in, or whatever, and it will download the list of all the barcodes that you scanned. Then you can process them all at that point with your Access database.
I had a client years ago that used one of these. I can't remember what the model was, but it was pretty impressive. This was before Wi-Fi was everywhere, and they had to take it out in their warehouse to do inventory. They would just scan a bunch of stuff, and then they would bring it back, and it literally downloaded a notepad-style list of barcodes. All I had to do was write the routine that read it in line by line and just processed it in the database, and it was super easy.
Now I'm tempted to buy one of these things just to test it and make a video LOL
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 22 days ago
I was at Wal*Mart years ago and watched an inventory clerk doing inventory. Again, before wifi was everywhere. I was curious, having done inventory in the past the hard way on paper. He just scanned the sticker on the shelf, and then one item, I guess as a check he was looking at the correct product, then he counted the products and entered the count via a keypad on the scanner. On to the next item. No wires or other equipment, just the scanner. He told me they do it on a continuous basis. Kinda like painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Start at one end, go to the other, then repeat.
Another option would be to get a simple, little portable scanner (something like this) that can Bluetooth to your phone or a tablet. That way, you just leave your phone in your pocket, pair the Bluetooth scanner to your phone, scan everything to your phone in a notepad, and then when you're all done, just copy that notepad file over to your Access database and import it.
OK, I just ordered one of these bad boys from Amazon. Should be here soon. It's got offline storage and Bluetooth capabilities, so you can either batch scan a bunch of stuff and then send them all to the PC when you get back hear it, OR just sync it to your phone and carry that around for real-time stuff. I'll know more when I get it. If it's good, I'll make a video. If not, I'll send it back. That's the beauty of Amazon Prime. :)
Matt Hall
@Reply 19 days ago
If it's not too far, I might opt for a long patch cable and free range it into the warehouse. A 200' cable is $21 on amazon.
The scanner just arrived today, so as soon as I got some more time to play with it, I'll post an update.
Yeah, I'm all about wired networks. Wi-Fi is cool for lamps, thermometers, doorbells, and stuff like that. Or anything serious, it's got to be wired. My next house before I move in, I'm gonna make sure the thing is properly wired with Cat6.
It's been a while since I've read up on the latest network cabling standards, so I had to ask ChatGPT about it. When I used to work in hardware, Cat5 was standard and Cat5e was just coming around. I think most of my office cables are Cat6. But yeah that Cat8 is some powerful stuff.
GPT:
For most small business and residential use, network cables are typically twisted pair Ethernet cables, and the current categories in practical use range from Cat5e up to Cat8. Here's a breakdown of what each one offers and what's most commonly used today:
CodeCat5 (obsolete)
- Max speed: 100 Mbps (some up to 1 Gbps)
- Max frequency: 100 MHz
- No longer recommended or certified
Cat5e ("enhanced")
- Max speed: 1 Gbps (up to ~100 meters)
- Max frequency: 100 MHz
- Still widely used and cheap
- Sufficient for most residential/small office use
Cat6
- Max speed: 1 Gbps up to 100 meters, 10 Gbps up to ~55 meters
- Max frequency: 250 MHz
- Tighter specs and better shielding than Cat5e
Cat6a ("augmented")
- Max speed: 10 Gbps up to 100 meters
- Max frequency: 500 MHz
- Heavier cable, usually shielded (STP)
- Good for offices or future-proofing
Cat7 (rare in the US)
- Max speed: 10 Gbps up to 100 meters
- Max frequency: 600 MHz
- Uses GG45 or TERA connectors (not RJ45 standard)
- Largely skipped in favor of Cat6a or Cat8
Cat8 (overkill for most)
- Max speed: 25 Gbps or 40 Gbps up to 30 meters
- Max frequency: 2000 MHz
- Typically used in data centers
- Still uses RJ45, but heavily shielded
Bottom line for small business/residential use in 2025:
Code- Cat5e: Still fine for basic 1 Gbps networks
- Cat6: Best balance of cost and performance, good for short 10 Gbps runs
- Cat6a: Ideal for long 10 Gbps runs or office wiring with future-proofing
- Cat8: Overkill unless you're wiring a rack with very short, high-speed runs
If you're running new cable today and want to be set for the next decade, Cat6a is the smart call. It's backward compatible, supports full 10 Gbps, and is cost-effective for new installs.
Matt Hall
@Reply 16 days ago
I run and terminate my own cable. I still run 5e, only because I have the cable and it is pretty forgiving. The newer cables seem to be a little more fickle when it comes to loops or kinks in the cables. I also don't have anything faster than 1GHz.
For what it's worth, if someone wants to terminate their own cable, the tools have become pretty reasonable, even for cat 6. It only requires a little reading and some practice with the terminations. Running the cable is the only real difficulty if you need to fish it through the walls.
I used to run my own cable. In fact, I wired my previous house up in Buffalo and my office there, which involved several hundred feet of runs. I installed all the wall plates myself and pulled network cabling for my old business, where we sold computers and other equipment. It's not fun; I don't really enjoy it. Clipping all those little wires and trying to get the plastic clips on them with the crimping tool was tedious, and I don't miss it at all.
Matt Hall
@Reply 16 days ago
This kind of tool has gotten me away from the traditional punch down tool, but it is only worth doing if you enjoy that sort of thing. :)
That is pretty cool-looking, but no, I don't enjoy doing that sort of thing. I do it if I absolutely need to do it, lol. I'll admit, at first, I thought it was pretty cool making my own cables, but then after doing it 5 million times, it just got old and my fingertips got worn.
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