One of the reasons I was so adamant about starting the Captain's Log here on my own website is because I actually enjoy real discussions. I like debates where people bring evidence, logic, and some level of maturity to the table. Any time I dip my toe into social media, the moment you challenge someone with actual science, it immediately devolves into name calling and temper tantrums. I show studies, they throw insults. I post links, they post emojis.
And I will be honest. In this exchange I eventually let myself get dragged down to his level a bit. Trolls on Facebook have a way of bringing out the worst in you if you are not careful. I am not proud of that, but I am owning it.
So I am going to share an exchange that just happened after I left a simple comment on an influencer's video. All I said was something like: You should stop demonizing seed oils. The science shows they are perfectly healthy, and in many cases better for you than butter and other saturated fats. That was enough to send this guy into orbit. You can read the thread for yourself below...
Idiot: as you keep doing soybean oil shots because you think they are healthy your brain is showing signs of damaged mitochondria and oxidized oils. But yea, you go ahead and keep eating seed oils. It is good for you.
Me: Let's see your sources. You might want to ease up on the internet biochem degree. There is zero evidence that normal amounts of seed oils damage mitochondria. If you have a real study showing that everyday intake does what you claim, post it. Otherwise it is just fear talk.
Idiot: yea that is adorable that you cannot even comprehend what happens when these oils get incorporated into your tissues but that is too much for you to understand because you can read a 10 week study saying seed oils are safe. Your brain could not process that kind of microbiology, but you go ahead and keep doing soybean oil shots cupcake.
Me: Cute speech, but you still have not posted a single study or any real evidence. Lots of insults, zero data. Why don't you teach me, oh wise and educated one, what supposedly happens when these oils get into my tissues. Give me actual links and evidence, not YouTube scare nonsense. Otherwise you are just yelling sciencey words like a kid shaking a magic wand. Here... I will give you a link to just ONE study... from a very well established source. Not that you would read (or understand) it. Link.
Me: A 2025 study showed a significant association between higher intakes of soybean oil, canola oil, and olive oil and lower total mortality. And for people like you who were eating glue off their hands in science class, mortality means death. I dont have the crayons to explain it any further, but that page links to dozens of real scientific studies on the topic.
Idiot: how long was that study. Man you are dense. But you go ahead keep chugging soy oil if you think it is healthy but stop telling people that because now you are hurting people that matter more than you.
Me: SMH. Why do I bother with people like you? You are acting like a study published in 2025 had to start and end in 2025. It was published in 2025, which you would understand if you read anything longer than a Facebook meme. The data itself spans up to 33 years of followup. This is how real long term nutrition research works. If you had bothered to read the references, it was a prospective cohort study, which means researchers followed real people over time and compared their actual oil intake to their actual health outcomes. Kindergarten version: you watch a group, you measure things over time, you compare results. That is how nutrition science works in the real world, because you cannot lock thousands of people in a lab and force them to eat specific oils for decades. It was direct long term population tracking. And there are plenty of other long term studies on that same page if you ever decide to look at them. More importantly, you keep dodging the point. I gave you evidence. Still not seeing any studies from you, just more attitude. If you have real evidence that normal dietary seed oils hurt people, post it. If not, you are just a little yippy dog barking at a leaf blowing across the yard.
Idiot: exactly, you are literally retarded. Please, chug your soy oil. Lots of it. It's good for you
Me: If all you have left is calling people retarded, you have officially run out of arguments. Still no studies, still no evidence, just playground insults. I posted data. You posted nothing. When you are ready to talk science instead of tantrums, let me know. I feel like I am talking to a bot that only knows three phrases: seed oils bad, chug soy oil, and random insults. Grow up.
The question is probably what and whom you want to reach in this way.
If you want to publish a counterstatement for a third party who happens to be reading along, it can work.
From a communication theory perspective, however, it is probably a bit clumsy to start with "You should stop" in the very first sentence.
This quickly takes on a didactic tone and actually provokes opposition because it forces the other side onto the defensive.
If you believe in fruitful discussion (which you probably didn't from the outset, given the environment you were in), you would probably start with a positive message such as "I think it's good that issues like health are important to you."
Just like you always do here. :-)
Sami Shamma
@Reply 6 months ago
I am sorry, Richard, but this is your fault, trying to have an adult conversation with an idiot. What did you expect the outcome to be? lol
Michael Olgren
@Reply 6 months ago
Attributed to Jonathan Swift: "You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."
Also, I strongly recommend reading the 2019 book by Steven Hassan, a recognized expert on cults. [Leaving out the book's title to avoid the political ramifications.] This was a rare "life-changing" book for me, because it has led me to completely avoid "discussions" like you (Richard) have posted above. You cannot change other people, except through a very long (think months) process, and only then by gaining their trust by showing empathy to their position (though not agreeing with it).
Michael Olgren
@Reply 6 months ago
Another plug for The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins. Just let people be idiots. You aren't going to change them, and you just expend your energy on them. As I was driving home 30 minutes ago, in the foggy rain, several cars drove by without their headlights on. Prior to reading the book, I'd get mad and flash my lights at those people. Previous experience tells me they didn't just forget to turn on their lights. Since I never changed any of those folks' habits, I now "let them" drive unsafely and hope they learn their driving safety lesson without killing anyone. It would be different if I had real power (e.g. police officer) to affect change.
Gary James
@Reply 6 months ago
As the old saying goes: "Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
Lars You're absolutely right. I keep seeing these influencers posting the same buzzwords over and over: non-GMO, organic, no seed oils. Meanwhile the science has shown for decades that GMO foods are perfectly safe, organic is basically a marketing word with no meaningful health advantage, and as I pointed out here, seed oils are not only harmless but in many cases healthier than saturated fats. When you see that stuff repeated endlessly, and you watch people fall for it and defend it, yeah, I admit it does make me start off a little exasperated. The old "stop doing this" tone slips out before the educator in me kicks back in. But you are right. I should have approached it from a more constructive angle right from the start.
Michael Yeah, I am well aware of that Swift quote, but even though I know it at my core, I still end up wasting my time arguing with people who are never going to listen to reason. I have read plenty from Hitchens, Dawkins, and especially Carl Sagan, and that theme shows up in all of their work. If someone got into a belief through emotion or repetition instead of logic, you are not pulling them out with studies and citations.
But the truth is, when I get into one of these public back and forths, I am not really talking to the person I am arguing with. If someone is that far gone, like flat-earther, moon-landing denier, climate-change is a hoax, hardcore anti-vax territory, there is no point. My words are for the people on the fence who are reading along. The lurkers. The folks who are unsure, curious, or just trying to figure out what is real. Those are the ones I hope to reach. They may be ignorant, but not willfully ignorant.
So when you see me in one of these pointless debates, or when I write a Captain's Log about a topic like this, that is who I am talking to. The people who may just be uninformed, not unreachable. Those are the ones worth writing for.
As far as the people with the headlights, have you ever driven in Florida? LOL. I am the same way, though. I try to help and educate people whenever I can. It is just in my nature. But the reality is that plenty of folks are stubborn, misinformed, or just locked into whatever they already believe, and nothing I say will change that. I joke all the time that the world would be a much better place if everyone would just elect me king. I would be a good king. A benevolent king. A loving king. :) LOL
Gary I've never wrestled a pig, but I have made some questionable dating choices, so I am at least familiar with the terrain.
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 6 months ago
FB keeps sending me posts from "flat earthers". I don't know why. I have a suspicion that many of "them" are trolls just looking for a victim. If I didn't manage a few groups, I would delete FB for this kind of thing.
Yeah, I'm literally only on Facebook because most of my family and friends from "up north" are on there, and it's a way to keep in touch and see what's going on... even though 99% of my news feed is science, IT stuff, comedy, news, Star Trek, and the occasional dog video. Oh and penguins. I love penguins.
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 6 months ago
I was jsut saying to a friend (she asked what I thought of hemeopathy, she saw some "stuff" on FB), I think FB is the bane of modern society. I'll double-down here.
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 6 months ago
Michael I saw a quick plug, on FB of all places, for the "Let Them" approach. I'm glad to say it's worked for me for over thirty years, here under my rock. Yes, I've given up and surrendered to the fools. My friends in Colombia ask me about presidents Trump and/or Petro, and I just shrug. Then I suggest we go do something fun instead of talking about others.
Yeah, homeopathy is a belief system, not medicine. Once you dilute something until there are no molecules left, you are basically paying for fancy water and sugar. It only works if you squint hard enough to mistake placebo for physics. As Tim Minchin put it, you know what you call alternative medicine that actually works? Medicine.
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 6 months ago
I like that Tim M. quote! I love the idea that water retains the "essence" of some other molecule or element. So would my chemistry teachers. I've got a paragliding pilot friend that only drinks "wild water" because it's healthier.
Sam Domino
@Reply 6 months ago
If I may paraphrase an "old" saying... Some people can't think their way out of a paper bag! I also try to keep the philosophy of "Live and let live", but many of these people also vote and that gives me nightmares!
Oh well! Off to eat some holiday food and pass out from a food-induced coma! LOL!!!
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 6 months ago
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 6 months ago
Here, I'll drag my most recent FB encounter into the mix (I didn't make this post, I just copied it). Out of 350+ responses, I think maybe four people (including my answer) got it right. Now, do I get a poop award for liking my own answer? Hmmmm.
The store is out $30 plus whatever their COGS is for the merch. Unless you want to go by the retail value (potential earnings) in which case it's an even Benjamin.
Thomas Gonder
@Reply 5 months ago
Classic accountant vs. economist argument. (Accountants don't consider opportunity loss, only actual.)
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