Richard:  I got back at this, and after many tries and reloading of the lesson databases - I have been able to reproduce the error. As best as I could remember, here is the sequence. I think it has to do with the problem you addressed creating the order before its ready...thanks for helping: I can send my screen caps if you would like: used the 304 file.

1. Added me.refresh to add button on customerf form per your instructions.
2. opened customer list – clicked on id 7 Barker;
3. Open selected Customer selected sales rep Jane, and lead source Newspaper;
4. Show customer orders – none present closed window with x
5. On customerf clicked add new order
6. Order id 17 GamerSkum combo is already filled in as is order date;
7. Stopped by 'select a sales rep first'; OK - did that;
8. Add product – added t-shirt 17 closed with ‘x’
9. Back on customerf – clicked show customer orders worked fine;
10. Second Customer Alan Watson
11. Selected Joe for sales rep; screen26;
12. add new order
13. order form has sales rep joe; and tech rep joe...already filled in
14. Add product  t-shirt  - no pencil and order_id = 19 screen 27
15. closed with an x
16. returned to customers and ‘show customer orders’ – no orders screen 28

Seems to get the sales rep info from the first person’s order; then the second persons order carried over the data…too confusing for me….I am building a system that must be accurate...could you give a little more iinsight to avoid this problem.