Russ, it's funny you mention this, because my database (the one I run my business from) is a patchwork conglomeration of pieces parts that have been modified, updated, changed, patched, and strung together like Xmas tree lights since I started this business in 2002. I've learned a LOT in the past 20 years, but there's a lot of stuff in my database that I would have done differently had I started it today... and it's WAY too much work to completely rebuild it at this point. I know that day is coming, but I keep putting it off. If you want to see an example of a database built PROPERLY from the start, and something that is a good example of the work I CAN do, check out my ABCD database. It's not finished yet, but it's a good example of what I can do, and what Access can do. Like Scotty says, "The energizer's bypassed like a Christmas tree, so don't give me too many bumps."