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Dataverse update
David Cummins 
      
2 years ago
Hi all,

While I have been using Dataverse as the tables for Access, I have been on the fence about using Dataverse, but now I am not inclined to keep using DV. The reason why is that I deleted a record in a Dataverse table, and the environment deleted my entire table. It was a good thing it was a new table with very little data, but going forward, it is my impression that Dataverse is not a reliable data source. I would not use it for Access or any other application, including Model Driven and Power apps for that matter.
Richard Rost  @Reply  
          
2 years ago
I've never encountered that, but my experience with Dataverse is, admittedly, not where I would consider myself an expert. Thanks for the warning.
David Cummins OP  @Reply  
      
2 years ago
Richard, I probably experienced an anomaly that may not be representative of Dataverse's reliability. Nonetheless, it is still scary that a table can be so easily deleted by such an error. In any case, deleting a record using a delete button in an Access form seems to be the safer way to go. Alternatively, Model Driven app seems to be an alternative to building an Access front end, but I find it failing in a few areas. Hope Microsoft will improve that tech soon. In the meantime, it would be great if you can create a course on Model Driven apps because I have not found any learning sources that really breaks it down like you do with Access.

P.S. I think you live in Fort Myers, FL. I grew up just north or you in Port Charlotte.
Alex Hedley  @Reply  
           
2 years ago
Did you raise a ticket with Microsoft Support?
David Cummins OP  @Reply  
      
2 years ago
I did not. Tickets have to be done through my IT person who is part time. I didn't bother.
Kevin Yip  @Reply  
     
2 years ago
Model-driven apps are more familiar to web designers than Access users, because websites are where this kind of thing is most often done.  For instance, this forum you are looking at (and also forums like Stack Overflow, etc.) could be designed with the model-driven method.  A website usually has tons of pages.  Rather than creating each page individually, you create a model (a "template," if you will) to minimize design work.  This is basically a low-code way of doing things, in other words.  And it's not new.  It is based on an age-old method called MVC (model view controller).  In Visual Studio, you can create "MVC apps," but with more coding.  In Access there is no equivalent of that at all -- if you need a ton of forms in Access, you need to create a ton of forms.  This is another reason why Access is out of date to many people.  "Canvas apps" in Power Apps would be the closest equivalent to Access.
Kevin Yip  @Reply  
     
2 years ago
The style sheets (.css) used in websites today are an example of the model-driven concept -- just one small .css file can set font styles, font sizes, table widths, background colors, etc. for hundreds of webpages, globally or conditionally.  In Access, the "style sheet" concept is nonexistent and you basically have to set format properties for each and every form and control.  To improve that, you have to code it yourself.
Richard Rost  @Reply  
          
2 years ago
David, I live in Cape Coral now, so even closer to Port Charlotte. :)

Yeah, your issue sounds like a fluke to me. Falls solidly in the gremlins category. Let me know if it happens again.

I've got some programming theory classes I've been wanting to do... just don't have the time. I still have to re-record all my other Office videos. Not enough hours in the day.
David Cummins OP  @Reply  
      
2 years ago
Hi Kevin, thanks for the info. I have actually built websites from the ground up using Adobe Dreamweaver, so I am familiar with HTLM templates and CCS. I have also built websites using Wordpress. Back to Model Driven apps. My users don't like the GUI and the lack of good UI and UX. It feels complicated for non-technical users. It also requires developers to be more advanced technically than I am to build apps. This is why I am sticking to Access for now because it is far more user friendly. I know Access is dated. I wish Microsoft would build a cloud app equivalent to it. In any case, my organization is looking to migrate to Zoho which looks like a better platform for our needs. I will keep ya posted on that if it happens.

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